Dave Page
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Thanks for the feed back. Made me do some contemplation, and as a result have done some backtracking.
Although I said I never let him play with the item, had forgot about having him carry a tug or toy inside when we were finished playing which I think was a mistake. Seems maybe it made him confuse work and play.
Much of it was my fault. I would use an item in the beginning by moving it around to get him interested then have him bring it to me. Glad I didn’t implement correction. Seems he had been associating the items with play, and also perhaps a curiosity as to why I am interested in the item.
I have backtracked trying to make sure work and play are separate, making sure he only gets praise when he brings and carries an item until he is told to drop it.
I had him carry some items, plastic cased tape measure, plastic box, scraper, as I made trips out to put tools back in my truck yesterday, to help him feel useful, and he did pretty good. Lot’s and lots of praise as he was carrying it, and as he released it. Except for my tape I handed all the items to him, Wasn’t sure he could carry the tape so wanted him to pick it up in a way comfortable to him and if he had seemed uncomfortable with it was going to have him drop it quickly. It took him a minute to figure out a comfortable way to hold it, but once he had it acted very pleased with himself.
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Still looking for one closer than a 8hr round trip.
Informative video. Thought the non-responders were only 1% instead of 5% being non-responders. Being there are so many who don’t respond it would seem vets would be eager to give a titer.
He is passionate.
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Ace is doing much better with very little correction implemented. We actually took him to a wedding today with people milling all around while he was in the truck. The longer he was there the better he got.
Seems he figuring things out and calming down.
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I was hoping he would figure out what was normal and what is to be alerted on, and mellow out eventually, but his volume and intensity is rising. I have actually had to start using corrections. I tell him I see it and it’s alright. If he doesn’t get quiet I started implementing a collar correction today telling him enough.
Going to see how it goes.
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Energy levels? LoL. Doesn’t matter what time of day. Just as long as he is awake. I let him and Lexi play this morning and he had a lot of exercise before we left this morning and it didn’t help.
I did let Ace out at the job with my helper there. Ace went straight for his ankles. More like he saw him as a chew toy, lol. Not in a vicious way, just very rough grabbing (herding dog). After I told Ace no he no longer tried to engage him.
As for barrier frustration, I agree. Not sure what kind, I get him lots of exercise, as Ace was leaning out the truck window at lumber yard once and someone attempted to pet him. When they reached toward him he had pulled his head back inside the cab. I caught the guy and stopped him as his hand crossed the window area. Couldn’t see much of Ace but fact he was no longer leaning out said something to me. And the fact the guy was trying to get Ace to sniff him instead of just reaching to pet him first I took as Ace’s body language being not too desirous to engage with the guy, and his earlier behavior made the guy cautious. Had to get irate to get the guy to quit. (Pet peeve, reaching into the cab, or bed of my truck.)
This evening he wasn’t quiet as bad. He actually just watched as my brother got out of the truck with two of his friends there, until one kind of leaned in and waved. Ace started in.
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Here is a video of him cutting up at a high medium level. This started suddenly one day a few weeks ago.
I wasn’t giving any commands he knows. Letting him have his head and just watching him. Praising him when he is quiet. Trying to figure out how to keep him from going nuts like this over normal activity without eliminating what I want.
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Yes, The video is normal alert barking.
When we are in the truck sitting in front of a store it gets rather annoying. I love the fact he does it, but I just want him to tone it down a little. I just keep telling him that’s enough, I see it.
My brother rides with me and helps me at work sometimes. This morning it took me a full 30 seconds to get Ace calmed down enough for my brother to get in the truck because he hadn’t rode with is for a few days. Although some of it was because Ace had just seen a ‘creepy’ person walk by he had an unusual disdain towards just moments before my brother showed up at the door.
Ace takes his spells. Some days are better than others. I think he may be just trying to figure things out.
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Addennum: I am more concerned about correcting this behavior to stop it, as I don’t want him to skip steps in the cycle and wind up with him giving no warnings.
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Edit: For Ace that is how I am incorporating play into his training.
He likes to run so I am using premack and training distant recall with a whistle. He knows if he stays in position I will eventually blow the whistle or verbally give him the recall command and he gets to run really fast. 🙂
Also put him in a down or some command and have him hold while I pull a tug on the ground making it enticing. Release him and make him chase for a bit before I let him catch it. Give him an out after a few minutes and immediately let him go at it again.
I usually don’t give an out command to end the game. He eventually loses his grip by trying to get better bites and when he does and I fell we have played enough I just tell him, “enough.” If I feel we haven’t had enough play when he has lost his grip I will give him another command to hold for a short time before letting him ‘catch’ it again.
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I will have them over again soon to make sure there is nothing to be concerned about.
I try to watch my pups like a hawk to see if there is anything needing addressed so I don’t have to have another dog, or I, go through reversing processes like one several years ago (Only hard on him as he missed out on a lot of life, as for his safety, if we weren’t home, instead of enjoying the yard I put him up. Too many solicitors and proselytizers ignoring posted signs.). I didn’t challenge, test or supply enough stressors/socialization when he was a pup, and at a year old if somebody moved too fast around us, got ahead of us… Thank goodness only drew blood twice, once because guy was trying to help me acclimatize him, and got too close too fast (bought that guy a pair of pants), another when I was helping neighbor get his cows off my place and didn’t see my dog head at him. I’m just glad he always listened.
He was dangerous people who didn’t know dogs for he would only bark a couple times to let me know some one was here, and then just stand on the porch silent, tail up wagging stiffly. No more barking or growling after those initial barks. When he attacked there was no sound.
Took about a 1-1 1/2 years of gradual acclimatization and obedience training to get him where he wouldn’t nail someone as long as they were acting normal, didn’t step on our porch without me there; was actually able to take him around a lot of people at a cookout, and only time he reacted was when one jumped beside us, but he just warned instead of biting. Sure do miss him.
Thank you.
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Thank you. Trying to reply with a phone is hard.
As you have said, “we want it to be fun for them, and obey because they want to and see the benefits not because they are forced to.”
I fully agree.
The hardest part; mistake we made with Lexi, was going over and over like most do in videos; keeping phase 1 interesting. Want to make it fun instead of like a child being forced to school.
Light bulb moment. Think my question just got answered: too much work and not enough play and they loose their drive. Create a desire instead of forcing it down their throat. Yes?
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His reward is praise and play. After he has brought the second shoe now he gets lots of praise.
Yes they are soft mouth unless in prey mode.
As I have never allowed him to play with the item I don’t understand how he could see the item as the reward. However, they can be notoriously possessive.
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They are magic.
I just wish it didn’t have to be a forever collar. Lexi does perfect as long as it is on. Take it off and….
I tried the starmark but a cat me off guard and Lexi was gone and hit it before I could react. It held. I started using the herm sprenger stainless neck-tech martingale pinch collar after. The added peace of mind knowing they shouldn’t break is worth it to me.
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Ace is doing well. Still a work in progress. He likes to play tug now and run so we have him do a down and flash it around in front of him and release him to go.
Or have him do a sit and walk quite a ways from him and give the whistle blast to come. He really likes that because he gets to run.