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  • Dave Page

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    April 11, 2021 at 10:01 pm in reply to: Member's Create Our Code of Conduct Here
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    Thought i proof read better. Number 7 was supposed to be about purpose.

  • Dave Page

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    April 11, 2021 at 7:31 pm in reply to: Member's Create Our Code of Conduct Here
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    <div>Here’s my quick code of ethical conduct.</div>

    Foundation style trainers endeavor to ethically improve the quality of life for both the owner’s and K-9’s through a fair exchange and incorporating Least Invasive Minimal Aversive strategy to illicit improved communication, competency, and co-operation between K-9 and owner.

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    1. Respect: Treat all clients (clients referring to dog and owner) ethically honoring the diversity of personalities in individuals and temperaments of the breeds by tailoring training to individual learning speed.

    Respect should include:

    A) Honesty with the client on achieving their goals

    B) Transparency of training methods and competency

    C) Confidentiality in all aspects when dealing with a client unless given express permission

    D) Accountability in all areas of training, care, and advisement.

    2. Integrity: Treat each client, and situation with same courtesy, as all others. Understanding by incorporating Least Intrusive Minimally Averse treatment we show respect for the owners situation as well as the dog, and exhibit the integrity to go at the needed pace for each.

    A) To the best of our ability work with the clients to speedily help them reach their goals while simultaneously keeping in mind and informing them beforehand each dog has it’s own pace.

    3. Loyalty to the profession, K-9 advocacy, and client can be should be exhibited at all times even with a willingness to refer to another trainer who may have experience necessary to assist them in achieving their training goals if we lack said ability.

    4. Objective: in the capability of the dog, and client to reach stated goals in timeframe they hope to achieve it.

    A) Objective honesty with the owner in capability of their dog breed to achieve goals of the owner.

    5. Be Responsible: Both in the industry, and personal actions by erring on the side of caution in consults, actions, and advice.

    6. Refrain from discussion of other trainers, and focus on the task at hand.

    7. Responsibility: Have a sense of responsibility in meeting the needs of owner and dog.

    In coming to a FSDT they have shown a belief in our competency to show them a path to achieving a happier and better behaved dog, as such to the best of our ability we should be responsible enough to maintain the availability to help them through to the end.

    A) Diplomatically Instill in the owner a responsibility to meet the drives and needs of their dog.

    8. Safety: Ensure to fully inform the owners, of any precautions necessary so general public, owner, handlers, and bystanders are always safe.

    9. Stewardship: As a dog trainer we need to recognize we are stewards not only of an industry, but also advocates for better quality of life for both owners and dogs; In doing so we are also being stewards of our industry and unethical treatment, ill-advised information can tarnish, the individual trainer, the Foundation, and industry in general

    10. Fairness: Instill in those we work with a sense of fairness regarding their relationship with their dog to promote better quality of life and co-operation between human and K-9.

    Always:

    1. Treat others (human and K-9) with same regard as we would want to be treated

    2. Advocate for fairness and competency

    3. Tailor plans according to specific situation

    4. Keep stewardship in mind.

    5. Have safety of all on mind

    Never:

    1. Give a definite time line you can’t keep. We are working with different temperaments and personalities.

    2. Give off hand advice without a consult and evaluating personally

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  • Dave Page

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    April 11, 2021 at 6:46 pm in reply to: Member's Create Our Code of Conduct Here
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    IACP is a bit jumbled and difficult to understand.

    Good base yet Overall theme seems to be organizational appearance giving the sense of being people/organization and money centric.

    I see one mention (7) of dog quality of life. 12 and 13.

    APDT is well written. Much of section I is about respect, as well as 2/3’s of section II.

    Once again mostly organizational appearances and business ethics (aka respect) with little mention of training ethics.

    In neither of their code of ethics was a stated purpose of the organization regarding advocacy of dogs.

  • Dave Page

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    April 9, 2021 at 7:26 pm in reply to: Dogs do Have a ‘Theory of Mind’ – Dr. Nicholas Dodman
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    Great article Art.

    I’ve watched mine reason out problems.

    A type of experiment with mine for years has been not to assist with predicaments, other than maybe give an idea and watch it progress to other areas.

    Recently watched a video of a pup someone had trying to get to something they had set on a shelf. Can be pretty amazing.

  • Dave Page

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    March 7, 2021 at 11:37 pm in reply to: Conditioned punisher doubles as cart pulling cues!
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    Some information for adjustments, and measurements to make it more enjoyable for the dog.

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    Interesting. Never heard of it before.

    Thanks for posting.

  • Dave Page

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    February 13, 2021 at 1:50 am in reply to: Conditioned punisher doubles as cart pulling cues!
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    Some criticism of myself.
    I had him out too early no better than he knew the commands although it worked out well with him.  The others worked longer before placing in the same situation.
    I didn’t bring a long line to give him guidance when I was off the cart. Praise was a little off and didn’t offer it at times I should have.
    I was running on assumptive knowledge I only had so much time to prove he was mentally stable, and could learn therefore was kind of rushing him.
    Also too much variation between NO and AAAAA so not the best training video.

  • Dave Page

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    February 13, 2021 at 1:08 am in reply to: Conditioned punisher doubles as cart pulling cues!
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    Hardest after teaching a solid heel was getting them to pull ahead of me. Finally my wife or I one would get in the road ahead while other was in the cart to call them at the same time they were given the hup command until they got the idea.

    Each drafting situation is different depending on environment, application, dog, and future goals.

    (Example: I had to change the commands after they had learned them, and drop use of names for carting commands early due to situational environment).

    For what I do Mine showed greater enthusiasm after I got the howling dog Alaska cart/pulk harness. Works for Both a cart I use and the Sacco. For body style on mine seems to allow them to lower their haunches towards the ground for greater body alignment and ease of applying power. Last time I put an old harness on one he wouldn’t tighten the trace until I changed it out. ?

    Probably this guys 3rd or 4th time pull me in the cart. I was still having to take it really easy with him due to his defensive responses, and he was still familiarizing with it so not the best training video. Unedited with all my our mistakes, but maybe you can glean something out of it.

    Yes He was pulling off kilter at the last due to one of the bar straps loosening.

    https://youtu.be/eY1VoePaXUE

  • Dave Page

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    February 12, 2021 at 11:08 pm in reply to: Conditioned punisher doubles as cart pulling cues!
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    Good job. She has cross step for turns decent, which isn’t a natural movement for dogs.

    An observation from carting.

    I noticed her first turn seemed inordinately awkward, and saw the swing of the spreader bar lifting up on her haunches on its upswing while she is simultaneously trying to plant her foot down is possibly stressing her hips. If you slow it down and zoom in I think you can see what I refer to.

    Perhaps the tighter turn while moving almost as fast as wider turns caused it to swing more.

    Could try adjusting the loin strap shorter so it doesn’t pull her hips on tight turns and/or setting a bungee so the spreader bar doesn’t swing as much or shorten the traces bringing her closer to the spreader bar as in the video below. Tighter the turn the harder it is due cross stepping.

    If you do it enough you will be able to tell by her step if something is out of adjustment. Experiment with adjustments until she walks as normally as she would without the harness. Each of mine has a different preference on how they like the harness adjusted to maximize their enjoyment and pulling efficiency.

    Familiarization of cross-stepping, and can see a good adjustment of the loin girt.

    https://youtu.be/p1500-VtHbM

  • Dave Page

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    February 12, 2021 at 9:44 pm in reply to: Conditioned punisher doubles as cart pulling cues!
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    If you plan to have her pull on command while you are out of site, and she has always been trained to heel what is your plan of chaining to get her to pull ahead of you, and turn on command?

  • Dave Page

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    October 21, 2020 at 9:04 pm in reply to: Owner track training.
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    I got curious and started playing with it when I was very young and used to climb trees. I had a dog then that would never look up and would freak out when I was calling and he couldn’t find me by sight so I started playing with it.

  • Dave Page

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    April 12, 2021 at 7:30 pm in reply to: Member's Create Our Code of Conduct Here
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    Agreed.

    The professionals relationship to the owner should be secondary to improving the relationship between the owner and dog. In some cases a dogs life chould depend on it.

    As long as the trainer deals ethically; applying all their knowledge and skills; to assist the owner/dog in reach training/behavioral goals their relationship with the trainer will improve as well if only from the sense of accomplishment

    I find the business/appearance centric nature distasteful.

    Would much rather see code of ethics more results oriented.

    Their code of ethics seem to be derived from a past generation when many dogs were merely considered ornaments or tools to be traded and sold.

    From overall theme in social media there seems to be more movement towards seeing dogs as valued members of the family, I think a code of ethics speaking to said trend would tend to draw a bit more attention from them.

    Personally Tried everything I could get my hands on then found Foundation style and joined to have a better relationship and improve my dog’s quality of living


  • Dave Page

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    April 11, 2021 at 9:54 pm in reply to: Member's Create Our Code of Conduct Here
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    Having so much more about the business ethics and responsibilities which is similar in any business I find the lack of purpose driven ethics and mention of improving quality of life odd.

    Definitely expected more than passing mention of dogs from an organization design around dogs. Comes across as generic copy and paste.

  • Dave Page

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    February 13, 2021 at 1:54 am in reply to: Conditioned punisher doubles as cart pulling cues!
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    Definitely need long term solid  phase 3 stability. Prey drive can make for a wild ride especially if they were trained for squirrel hunting first and one runs across the road in front of them. I can attest  ??

  • Dave Page

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    February 12, 2021 at 11:33 pm in reply to: Conditioned punisher doubles as cart pulling cues!
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    From as good as they are doing now looks like she can be awesome. I hope they really have fun with it. He’ll know when she sees him pick up the harness and she starts jumping in excitement running to the wagon.

    It can be awesome for both dog and owner. Dogs get to move like they love, and we get to go along for the ride. Just don’t train her to hunt first then start carting it can get wild ? Semi-serious joke.

     

     

     

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