Mathew Vandart
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Well it’s starting to come back 😀
(2 different dogs)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSz9Qh9XAKs
Any hints, tips and advice welcome!
Matt
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Mike,
I posted this also on a Doberman forum and they said virtually exactly what you have said.I think these are the problems in play here:
– could be conflict with you. It is tricky doing tug with your own dog at this age if the goal is a hard intense bite. If for formal training I almost always try to have someone else do the tug while I hold the dog.
for restless spirit purposes a “weaker” tug is totally fine– It could also be the dogs just genetically have a lower prive drive. I have worked some dobies that just need a lot of work in drive building to keep them interested compared to others with all else being raised pretty equal. Especially true if the dobies come from predominantly show lines vs working/sport lines. If that is the case you can be doing everything right but you are just working against mother nature.
I will formulate a plan to get them back on it.
thanks dude!
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Success!!!!! Huzzah!
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I took the kennel apart and put a ply backbaord I had kicking around (white) with a bit of feather board to make up the height, in front of the insulation then built the little platform up to minimise the step up and there we go. I am not sure which bit did it or if it was the combination but it worked so again Huzzah!
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Basically I have just combined the two for logistical reasons. the crates were in the kitchen and the kennel was where it is now, without the insulation. They were fine going in both as they were. all that junk was there before on the kennel. I have tried the feeding near the kennel and it may be working to a point. the sheet I put in there to see if it was the shiny insulation that was spinning them out. It works a bit, Becca has been in there of her own accord. Strangely when I first did it they both went in there straight away as I put bowls of food in there and they were pretty hungry. It seems that after this event they have got scared.
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Hi, you can definitely get your GSD to coexist with chickens. I have two high drive dobermans (15 months old) and a 12 week old staffy pup, I have taught them not to chase the chickens by leaving them sniff around the coops, when the chickens start flipping out and the dog gets excited just calmly and firmly say no and correct them, either with the lead or as I do by gently restraining them in the sit position they learn this very quickly.
Unfortunately I never did this with my EBT so she cannot go in the part of the garden with the chickens with it but she is old now so I see there being no point in teaching her now other than for a challenge. Her life would be no better if I did. -
I was going to say that this could be a case of spontaneous recovery where a previously extinguished behaviour returns for no apparent reason, bare in mind it may not have been extinguished purposefully. As Teresa has suggested above introduce and reinforce an incompatible behaviour in order to extinguish this one.
I would use lie down.
Ensure the dog is attending to you, like look at me and such like, this can be taught away from the trigger stimulus, like in your house.
Get this sorted before you try it outside.
I don’t mean this offensively but are you using the pinch collar properly, some people have the misconception (IMO) that a pinch collar is for stopping an unwanted behaviour, it is rather a tool for ‘Proofing’ the incompatible behaviour to ensure the dogs knows for instance that when you say sit, you mean ‘Sit and don’t move until you are freed, if you get me.
I am not 100% that this is how a pinch/prong collar is used in this system as I am still assimilating this system myself.Personally I would get the dogs eyes tested before anything else.
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This is an easy one, he can go sniff when you allow him to.
That means if he is stoping more times than you want then he is doing it too much, the level is set by you. He won’t hate you for it, your his leader and he EXPECTS you to decide.Edit: spelling
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Gonna watch this thread, I have a hunch what it might be but I will wait for expert opinions so as not to throw you off on a possibly false start.
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Thanks!
He has undergone a very intensive obedience training and he is still having EVERYTHING controlled, it seems to be working.
He has been interacting without muzzle a few times with other dogs, he has shown very good submission to warnings from other dogs, I’t has all become a bit of a mystery. -
Ok the behaviourist from the local rescue centre came over yesterday and assessed Bob.
She played with him and did some tests and put him under a bit of pressure with herself (human) and a dog.
She was happy that he was not going to bite a human, she also came the conclusion that Bob is not dog reactive but she has advised me to keep him muzzled when interacting with my other dogs for at least a month and make a decision from there.
She was very impressed with the way ‘Bob came to check in with me’ on a regular basis and with my control over bob when he got a bit excited.
Phew!
This Behaviourist is a Lady I trust alot, she has been in spain for the time I have had Bob which is why I have been all over the internet and on the phone finding advice, I would have just gone straight to her.
Best bit was it was all free! because I spend alot of my time helping out down there walking the dogs and training them basic skills to help them find new homes.
I know I aint out of the woods yet and I am not gonna just go’ there you go Bob go play’
But I am really happy about it and a bit relived also.
I am still going to look to move Bob on to a new home though, I just don’t think Bumpy is gonna get on with him ever. -
Hi Teresa,
Its the type of muzzle which has a loop for the collar.He only does the rolling on the grass not on the pavement but it is every time he gets to grass he just wants to take off. I think his last owners used to just take him to a field, unclip him and let him go and then just talk on their phone for an hour……
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Hoorah! I can finally put some positive news about Bob!
We took Bob out for a good walk today with his Muzzle on, aside from a bit of pawing and rubbing it on the ground it all went swimmingly!
whenever I said ‘No’ when he was doing it he stopped.
I’m not sure about his muzzle sizing, he has a very wide face but the muzzle that fits him width wise doesn’t let him yawn completely and he cant open his mouth wide when panting.
I’m concerned about getting a bigger one though as he might get it off.
He has one that is specced for a rotty? do you think this may be too big for your average EBT?
He has a massive head which is why I am a bit edgy about him biting me 😮 and obviously I have seen what he is capable of.
No problems no major spaz outs he had about 40 mins with the muzzle on then another good half an hour in the yard with us.
He actually laid down and went to sleep in the sun!
This may seem like a strange thing to say but in our presence he has never done this before, I think he is relaxing a bit and so am I!
He seems to be alot more relaxed around my wife I think she is better for him, however she only weighs 7 stone so I can’t leave it up to her because he could easily drag her over.
He did sit and stay really quite well during the walk, with and without lures (I make him sit at the curb when we cross a road like I do with all our dogs).
He proper goes mental whenever we hit grass, rolling around on it and doing that funny crawl that Bull terriers seem to do with his legs outstretched behind him snapping at invisible flies and rolling around, I’m pretty sure that means he is relaxing a bit?
He does this on the lead should I suppress this on the lead or leave it go?
When he went back into his pen there was a wee bit of whining but no spaz outs and as I type this he is basking in the sun!
He also eats ALL his meal when I give it him, from the start I have been petting him and saying good boy when he eats his dinner (only for 10 secs a few times then I leave)
I had to do this with a Doberman puppy believe it or not who was not eating food.
His owners answer to him not eating meals was to lock him in a room on his own with his food. It took me a week to get that pup to eat properly.
He was 7 months old, big, and he had virtually no muscle on his back legs 😡
He would sit alot rather than stand his legs were so weak.
Good food and lots of hill walking cured that!
I am extremely happy with Bobs’ progress. 😀On the negative side I have made a break stick using a hickory sledge hammer handle just in case of emergency.
I can still let him no where near Bumpy as she is stiff legged and tail whenever she is by his gate. 🙁 she doesn’t like him I think)Edit: We passed a number of dogs, not close but passed them in their yards, that barked like crazy at him, he took little to no notice of them, just targeting them visually and with his ears but when I say leave it he just continues with the walk, is this cool?
He is getting alot of attention (negative attention) with his muzzle and stuff on. He has a harness and 2 collars on, his muzzle collar and his martingale collar with a lead on his harness and one on his collar. I have found this is the only way I can control him physically until I can get his attention with my voice when he does spaz out. Poor Bob looks like someone on death row. I was told this morning whilst walking my Dobermans that there is already rumours going around about him and ME???? 😡
I hope I can find a suitable new home for him soon as my business relies pretty much on my reputation of having very good obedient dogs.
I get most of my business whilst walking Tilly and Becca (the Dobies)
Funny thing is Bummpy does ALL the things I have decried above yet I don’t put a muzzle on her and fear her biting me, am I being a poof do you think?
Ok I will stop babbling now, thanks for your help!
I shall keep you posted!
