Marina Darling Zeitler
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It’s a little big on him but it’s the only long term muzzle I have for when they are all out. Im not trying to tape his mouth shut when im available to watch. He’s done nothing since that one incident bc I manage the dogs interactions very strictly now. He does growl and I say “hey focus.” To redirect him and he does good. But im worried that has some “coddling” aspects. Like “no focus on anything but me” … that seems problematic… I’m at a loss!
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There has been a misunderstanding. Let me clarify: Helga is a 7-year-old dog and the pit bull is 6 months old. While they have not fought yet, the pit bull plays rough with Helga. While in my possession, the pit bull has been aggressive towards my dogs and possessive of me and attention. I am knowledgeable of LIMA guidelines, but I am unsure how to advise the owner on satisfying the dog’s need for attention or correcting his “people obsession.” (correcting following LIMA)
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So i have had success with my territorial case. I thought about the psychology behind it and had a theory of dog culture and respect. Would she respect another dogs territory? Tested it with my own dogs. All muzzled for precaution. She was respectful and submissive. they got to playing, and based on those results, i brought her home with one of my dogs she was playing with. They entered her home at the same time and there was no sign of territorial aggression. Moving forward, i am going to take her and run the same exercise with the human’s son’s dogs. (original issue.) I will be there to manage everything. Thank you all. I’m very happy to have this team.
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Am i allowed to post what i told him or is it unethical to share that conversation. It was very straightforward with information only.
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The owner is a strong, male figure. I have requested his daily routine and sleeping arrangements, as I suspect everything is highly controlled. The human has already taught their dog some basic obedience, but the neediness can become an issue for the human. Mike says behavio is only a problem when its a problem for the human. So I want to give the human something useful. Puppy has been playing extremely rough with Helga, the dog he lives with, but has otherwise had no problems. However,he attacked my small dog. so hes muzzled with a drinkable muzzle and I am awaiting more information about his home life since he may see my guidance as more valuable than his actual human. I wont know without that information. I will post asap. Initially, I only kept Puppy for assessment, but now I want to provide his owner with helpful advice or a way to communicate the dog’s psychology effectively.
with me, he has slept directly on top of me face on face without me praising that or correcting it. Right now he’s behind me on my chair not getting my attention but I want him to feel accepted.
I want to provide a safe, provided-for environment while avoiding coddling and giving in to attention demands.
am I right in this? is this what I tell human?
Seeking opinions and perspectives.
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We have no information with the chihuahua beside the “Say-So” reason the previous human that had her was rehoming because the chihuahua and Didjeri did not get a long. It was the apple head chihuahua breed. –I was told.
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Yes, they seem to not mind each other, so I haven’t been able to observe much interaction. However, I will keep watching. Thank you.
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Before our next in-person session, I have written this unfinished material for them to read. During our session, I will explain it in depth.
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I super appreciate all the responses!! Good community. I apologize for any confusion caused by my lack of details about the case. Please allow me to provide additional information to clarify the situation.
I have taken into account her breed and started outdoor exercises, such as teaching her to herd the herding ball, playing hide and seek with toys, and training her humans to play tug correctly.
We have been focusing intensely on basic obedience training and put in place my version of “leadership Roles” which is “Provide and Guide”. Although she is doing great, she tends to lose focus easily, so a strong “focus” and recall is important in the plan.
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Side note: People respond much better to the “provide and guide” speech rather than telling them they arent being seen as a leader and their dogs relationship needs work… whoo.. that was a life changer for me puzzle.
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We have already treat trained her to enjoy the process of applying the muzzle and she wears it with ease.
These are their kids’ dogs, and the whole family travels with their immediate families while others watch each other’s dogs.
That’s what they were used to doing before they got Didjeri and they want to be able to get back to that ability.
They expressed a desire for it to be completed in two months, but I explained that it’s unrealistic and will take time.
I explained to them that I am not a hack trainer who will just put a bandaid on the problem and leave. I made it clear that this will require work and asked them to confirm their willingness to put in the effort.
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I will be watching Didjeri while her humans watch their sons dogs as a solution for the upcoming traveling dilemma.
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They love her. And she does fine with other dogs outside the home besides a slight growl for resourses. It will be addressed but now I’m just looking for advice or confirmation that im in the right direction…
The Akita and her do not have issues by the way. The only thing to address there is Didjeri playing a little too rough with her being a puppy and the Akita, Spirit, being older in age.
It will be addressed. Right now- for that- Im giving her herding balls and her humans to take control of playtime and make sure she is getting proper energy released.
With ethology (that i should look more into) my mind makes sense that the herding breeds can have these tendencies since they are bred to herd others in a direction or away– basically take control of where the other being is. Thats what made sense to me but ill look more into it.
We have been over attitude and they are doing great. It was the 2nd part of my 12 prerequisites. and they have to relay comprehension and explain if/how it pertains and if/how they will make changes. Overall they are very ideal and understanding clients.
They will not be joining us until we can gain control of where didjeri is holding focus and have a handle on getting her to calm herself down. That was a controlled assessment of the situation so i could better understand the explanation/description they were giving me. And it definitely helped perspective and me puzzle some things together!
My struggle is getting the owners to make Didjeri see other dogs seen as friendly visitors.
After I get Didjeri trained on focusing and calming herself also with strong leadership veiws and of course rewarding good behavior, how do I experiment again? Where do i go from there?
My guess is their very large front yard and leashed but thats still her territory… and there are 5 total dogs they want he comfortable with..
I hope I have provided sufficient information about my actions and thoughts for you to give me further guidance… Praying
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@Mike I’d like to hear those ideas! I have couple good ones but am not capable of executing them with where I’m at right now.
And yes! I love my set up! Started from not being able to affort a tub lol but ive come to appreciate the convenience and so do the dogs!
As well as being outside. It’s actually a really great setting for the dogs to feel comfortable in. No stacks of kennels (I have two unnecessarily big kennels.) No loud 5 dryers going off at once, the lighting is natural, no groomers running around complaining about the dogs or the work, the only time there is Barking is when my boys are playing downstairs. It’s overall just very lovely.
I have a company that heard of me trying to get me to go work over their and they want to utilize what I do for the dogs as a specialty or premium service. I’d make a lot of money with benifits but I cant leave what I’ve built or my clients. I cant risk not being able to do things the way I feel right. And I love my little salon!
Thanks again!
I’ve attached some cuteness!
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The sharp object near the eyes or really anywhere near their body, takes a lot of attention to the dogs body language. I can tell very easily when a dog is about to move and when a dog is comfortable with what I’m doing or even enjoys the attention they are getting. That alone needs to be required. How to read dogs body language.
I have once thought about saying to a client that I follow “LIMA” guidelines with my grooming. But they wouldn’t even know what I was talking about. However it did get me thinking about how effective that was.
When grooming I try to always be communicating to the dog when they are being good, when they are safe, and give them all breaks necessary. I am persistent but if they are telling me that it’s about to be traumatizing or be a negative association, I back off or abandon completely.
Thank you for recognizing that I am being honest and transparent with the dogs leaders @Mike ! That really means a lot and I appreciate the appreciation.🙏 I really do take what you say & what I’ve learned here and try to apply it in the best way I understand. I have a lot to learn but I always will, right?
Very happy with this forum and ill continue to share any good techniques/ alternatives I work with. 😄
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So she does have food out all day. And she comes and goes to it as she pleases. I’ve seen her pick up her whole bowl and take it somewhere else to eat some of it. I’m not sure what that behavior means but I do know that a leader should be in charge of when, what and where they eat. I just didn’t know how much it could be effecting her until talking about it know with you. So thank you, really. But how do I go about this? Was my idea of creating a Meal & Play Schedule for the handler to do with the dog a good one? I know she likes direction so I think me only telling her to figure it out on her own wouldn’t be as effective. I can always try it and if she doesn’t follow it than I’ll have to a talk with her about Gracie’s success and prolonging the training. Also emphasize that it is not a cruel thing to do what so ever. Dogs respect strong leaders. They almost \crave\ guidance. It would likely make their relationship stronger.. I’m thinking out loud. Excuse me lol.
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Awh I love it! I’ll definitely talk about getting a little kiddy pool for this! Jean would love to sit outside and play this exercise with Gracie too. I’d love to know more about how this helps dogs. What does it help with and the benefits? I want to be able to explain it to my client instead of, “We’re gonna try something I just learned and see what it does!” lol.
What if she is not interested in the food though? I can train her without the treats but I want her to be excited to learn and to make these behaviors strong to last. I haven’t dealt with uninterested dog before. Even sheltered scared dogs still wanted to know what I was trying to communicate. -
Thank you Allie! You’re a Rock! I appreciate the advice. I have already started Jean (her momma) on working on the food lure. But I didn’t even think about relationship & leadership roles with her because she doesn’t have any behavior “problems.” I only thought of the obedience. But I Absolutely LOVE that idea of giving them leadership exercises for the week before training. That’s ideal for any client! It not only gets them in that leadership role but can hype them up for training too! I’m gonna take a page out of your book.(; And I think I understand on how that could be an issue for the food. Like “I have food available all the time. Getting it from you isn’t special.” But when we are in the leadership role they are happier to take something we give them, right? “Oh the leader gave me this! It must be special!”
I see trouble with getting the affection and the toys dialed back but I can definitely voice it to her. She just lost her two old dachshunds and it still hits her really hard to talk about it so when Gracie came into her life I see how bad she loves having a companion. She already felt bad not feeding her on training days but I think if I’m proactive and make her feeding & toy/play schedule \for\ her she will be on board. She definitely wants what’s best for her dog and made it clear she will listen to my instruction so I don’t mind helping her out. It’s always easier to help people when they really want it lol.
I also attached her doggy DNA result. Alaskan Husky, Pit Bull, Basset hound, so on.
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