Arthur Lopatin
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Here’s the best place to start getting a handle on this situation: https://dogtraining.world/knowledge-base/territorial-aggression-blueprint/
re: what ‘didn’t get along with their chihuahua’…..imo, it’s important for you to keep an eagle eye on how this dog gets along with the other household dog. akita, blue heeler==two tough dogs.
imo, this would be a challenge if your clients had only one dog. it’s a little more difficult in a 2-dog household. if they want their son and his dog(s?) to visit them, for some time at least, they need to manage the problem. it’s unrealistic to believe Didjeri’s issues will be solved in one or two weeks. it’s gonna take time. please read and reread Mike’s aggression blueprint and then develop your own plan to implement it with this particular dog / client. as with building blueprints, reading and understanding the blueprint and the building the building are two different things.
Imo, it’s important to manage your client’s expectations.
Very interesting, challenging.
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I got a job for you in Manhattan, Allie!
nypost.com
“All of a sudden the door opens, a woman walks out, and two large dogs just bum-rushed us,” Tripp said.”[Syko] had my dog literally within his mouth.”
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In case you didn’t watch to the very end, Ryan, the film maker said he never felt threatened by any of the dogs he filmed, but at the very end he said that the strays adopted by residents of an apartment complex, who lived an their own little poorly enclosed outdoors area had become territorial. He ruefully added that a year after finishing filming he learned that thedogs had been poisoned by dog-averse neighbors after one of the dogs had bitten someone. He was underscoring one of the main points of the film: the more domesticated, the greater the likelihood of behavior problems. Maybe not entirely true, but imo it’s a pretty reasonable generalization. IMO, intelligently applied, FSDT is a style that really can alleviate/diminish issues intrinsic to complete domestication, provided the owners are willing to learn and follow through consistently. Glad you liked the film.
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I just re-checked and discovered my ‘problem’ had disappeared. My likes had magically appeared. Same browser. I am sure the likes didn’t appear when i initially clicked the like button. maybe you have to refress or start a new session??? i dunno. no big deal as far as I’m concerned.
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I had just logged on to post this vid when I saw that you had done so already. You are right, watching the K-9 officer’s vid sure does change things.
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Update: Ohio police officer who released dog onto surrendering Black man fired
upi.com
Ohio police officer who released dog onto surrendering Black man fired - UPI.com
An Ohio police officer who released the police dog that mauled a surrendering Black man has been fired from the department where he worked.
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Here are five vids showing responsible, ethical — i.e., FSDT — K-9 handling. Right knowledge, right attitude, right training. The first is a good Phase 2 review. The others show how the Ohio K-9 could / should have handled the situation, assuming there was even a need to release the dog:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXVy58yAS-Y
The second is entitled: “Southern Tier Police Canine Association 23rd Advanced K9 Handler Seminar – Clips with the K9-1 team.” Watch small-town police cops control, up to and including Out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40UYRFP9U6M
Note: I believe the handler in the next vid is a real-life cop:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLG_aVa9F7U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYhslS0Zd4k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUg_h9j8zks&t=26s
The point is, there’s a right way and a wrong way to do this.
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Yup! That’s y i post stuff like this. But responsible, knowledgeable breeders, one’s w/both solid practical experience and a good knowledge of genetics can do lot’s to mitigate, if not entirely do away with inbreeding by continually refreshing their breed lines. At least that’s my understanding / impression based on reading and some observation. If I find info about this, I’ll post it. By the way, the guy who ‘invented’ the labradoodle apologized for having done so: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/sep/26/labradoodle-inventor-lifes-regret-frankenstein-monster
IMO, much about the contemporary dog scene — it’s sociology and psychology — is quite nuts. People get dogs for all the wrong reasons — they are a living Rorshach test — and end up making themselves and Fido miserable. If they are responsible adults, the work with FSDT trainers or like-minded ones to solve learn and to solve their problems. Too often, they do not.
theguardian.com
Man who invented labradoodle says it's his 'life's regret'
Wally Conron says he created a ‘Frankenstein’s monster’ as unethical breeders now make hybrids with serious health problems
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this site has a several more brief trng vids. most are combat-related. i watched the teaching obedience one. this ex-specops handler teaches heel the old-fashioned way, by using the leash handle and first foot or two as a propeller in front of the dog’s nose. not my cup of tea. not necessary. i wonder it that’s how they still do it at lackland.
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Horrifying stories. IMO dogs have most of the emotions we have, including jealousy, and are far more intelligent than they are given credit for (check out How Stella Learned to Talk and Chaser, for example). If I’m right about this, then the basic problem is not anthropomorphizing per se; rather it’s anthropmorphizing ignorantly. Their emotions are triggered somewhat differently than human emotions — they tend to be more impulsive — but not as differently as we might like to think and — even more importantly — dogs don’t speak English, so you have to know how to read their body language and vocalisations and know when/how to manage and when/how to train (as per FSDT). To do that, takes curiosity, commitment, ability to admit and learn from mistakes, physical/emotional competence, and a lot of time. Easier to look the other way and blame the dog. It’s an old, old story, dating back at least to the Middle Ages in Europe. duckduckgo ‘animals on trial medieval times’ if you are interested. I don’t think things have changed so much. Related thought: whenever I hear stories like this, I wonder how different is the behavior of a lot of dogs (and wolves, as per Schenkel’s study) from the behavior of human felons in a max-security prison.
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right: wolfpark woman tells the crowd that the wolves are vying for the wolfpark guy’s attention. hard to hear her voice. he knows the dogs. the dogs know him. the dogs know each other. there’s a hierarchy. did u notice the guy rubbing one wolf’s lower back? i wonder if the wolves aren’t somehow rewarded after the performance.
btw, the vid of the l.a. street dogs is from a longer vid narrated by queen latifah, street dogs of south central. very interesting body language vid. i think it’s on amazon prime w/some bits also on youtube. the full vid’s worth a watch. also, re: body language, a huge book, thousands of fotos of all sorts of dog interactions, focusing on different body parts: Gabo Krauss & Gabi Maue: Dogs in Translation. Also an accompanying workbook. Expensive.
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Most people most of the time don’t know what they don’t know because acknowledging that one doesn’t know is very threatening. Easier to take refuge in fairy tales than it is to cop to the fact that one is ignorant, uncertain and then take it as a challenge. But it is what mature adults do.
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Marina mentioned two things in addition to ‘territorial aggression’ that set set my antennae tingling: the blue heeler is living with an akita and the blue heeler had been given up by his/her previous family because he/she had attacked the other family dog, the chihuaha. Therefore, I am concerned that — above and beyond aggression toward unfamiliar dogs entering the house ( & possibly people too, although Marina didn’t mention it) — the Blue Heeler and the Akita might fight each other if left unsupervised / unkenneled. Is this something Marina should make a priority item in her plan.
Beyond management, and assuming no serious underlying very basic issues like health diet, if both the Akita and the blue heeler live together, wouldn’t the best possible solution teaching the owners to train up each dog, separately and ideally together through Phases 3-4? And then then deal with the stranger-dog issue. Til then management, management, management? (If the two house dogs know stuff like Place or Go To Your Crate, then, I imagine, it will be easier to work with the owners’ kids dogs coming into the house, assuming it’s worth the time and effort required.
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I hesitated to post this, because I never was a K-9 cop, this vid and accompanying article-text might be incomplete, info-wise (the victim/truck-driver was behaving erratically and didn’ obey initial police orders. maybe the cops had additional information re: the the driver/truck contents, etc.). I decided to post it nonetheless because, I do know a bit about protection dogs, having assisted/watched Mike at work, incuding instructing security personnel and police. This seemed to me so blatantly improper that I decided to post it as a prime example of how police k-9s should NOT be handled and, very likely it’s due in some measure to poor training.
hankyou for your reply, because you have been in the trenches.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritualized_aggression
“Ritualized aggression is when animals use a range of behaviours as posture or warning but without engaging in actual aggression, which is expensive in terms of energy and the risk of injury. Ritualized aggression involves a graded series of behaviours or displays that include threatening gestures (such as vocalizations, spreading of wings or gill covers, lifting and presentation of claws, head bobbing, tail beating, lunging, etc.) and occasionally posturing physical actions such as inhibited (non-injurious) bites.”
p.s. – related thoughts: those 2 wolves are littermates. i believe they were raised from birth in wolfpark. if i remember right, schenkel’s captive wolves were unrelated. not sure what age each of schenkel’s wolves was when brought to the basel zoo. also, wolfpark is big, like 7 acres. the basel zoo enclosure looks a lot smaller.
also, i wonder about diffs. bt. basel zoo and wolfpark vis a vis human interactions w/wolves. i believe wolves raised from puppyhood in close contact w/humans differ, to at least a limited extent, from wild wolves. i betcha the guy in the vid knew those wolves since they were babies, which makes a difference.
related: shaun ellis, the man who lived with wolves. book and vid on youtyube. ellis raised a bunch of wolves and lived w/them, like a wolf for several years. he behaved like a wolf. looked like one. smelled like one. he was the pack leader. used ritualized aggression to express his leadership/dominance. he had to leave his ‘pack’ for a week or two. when he returned, he realized he could not be leader anymore, because if he tried, the most dominant young wolf would challenge and kill him. so he submitted, behaving exactly like a submissive wolf.
also, puppies and adult dogs often use ritualized aggression when they play. of course, things can go easily go south. depends on dogs. depends on owners’ leadership skills, how well-trained the dogs are and the temperament of the dogs.
most of this stuff is, i guess, not directly relevant to what dog trainer need to do most of the time with most dogs and owners. like mike said in his comment: lots of times ya just have to have a good, ‘fido. leave it.’ or another command to defuse / forestall a potentially dangerous situation.
that said, imo knowing about wolf behavior, captive and wild, can broaden / deepen our understanding of dog behavior, which can help you train cynopraxically, not just ‘make’ fido do what you want.
