Ryan Lugo
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Yes, I remind them every lesson lol. it is only been one lesson since the condition punisher lesson so they received more reminders later in the video or the lesson. So I we shouldn’t have to repeat ourselves, if we do, then, the dog needs to receive a correction at the same time as the command. And I told them that with the word no, if we do repeat the command after saying the word no then they should receive a correction.
So, even though the condition punisher is a warning, it seems like it overlaps with avoidance conditioning, or very similar to avoidance conditioning. We are trying to help the dog. Avoid a correction by giving them a warning first. And they respond to that warning. At least that’s my understanding.
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I am going to link this video since it illustrates what we are talking about. In this video I told the client “For this exercise we are not focusing on the name as the focus of this Escape conditioning lesson, rather we are focusing on the word ‘No’. She was repeating the name too many times during this exercise as well so I should have just told her to only say the name once at the beginning. But this leads to another question I have. Do we say the name EVERYTIME we start over after the dog makes a mistake or do we only say it when we are switching to a new command? I believe in the P1 command structure chart it says to start over and say the name again. But in the full command structure chart it does not have an arrow saying to return to the name after the dog does not try or makes a mistake.
In this video we only focused on ONE command the entire clip, we did not switch from one command to another then another, that is why I did not tell her to say the name since we were not switching commands. ButI like what you said Ally about even if we are not working on the name in this particular exercise as the focus you still believe in practicing it anyway so the client does not think that we don’t have to say the name sometimes. but i am interested to see what Mike or someone else would say about this too since I do not want the client saying the name at the same time as giving a correction.
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I guess I need to be more specific. The reason I said it was optional or not necessary is because during the teaching phase it is better not to say the name while giving the dog a correction. So a new person is doing this for the first time I always see them say the name at the same time is giving a correction, so it is just easier to say skip the name entirely they do not correct the dog, and say the dogs name at the same time. so teaching it for the first time I don’t emphasize the name because the owner makes too many mistakes because they are used to saying the name.
I noticed that whether you say the name or not, dogs will respond to the command. I do think the name is important though for getting their attention and telling them a new command.
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This sounds like a childrens book. a dog training book for kids. that sounds like a fun idea
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A dog trainer friend of mine watched some of my videos. I asked him for feedback and and he also showed them to his sister who is not a trainer. In conclusion, he thinks they are perfect for teaching other dog trainers but could be done differently for addressing clients. He said it was too formal in his opinion and too technical and I should emphasize how each lesson relates to real life situations. WHY DO WE DO THIS? WHY SHOULD I CARE? For example, when teaching sit tell the owners why “sit” is important. having the owner practice the sit command to teach them to wait before opening the door. I told my friend “thanks for your input, I am sure there is a good balance between technical and entertaining or being informal.” So I am going to keep that in mind and try to always improve. It doesn’t hurt to show our videos to a person for the first time and get their response or feedback especially if they know nothing about dog training to see if they understand.
As for in-person lessons, I noticed that no matter how technical and specific I am with my instruction the clients still make so many mistakes when applying the info. Every week I am reminding them. I tell them to “hold the treat close to the dog’s nose and move slowly” and they do the opposite. I tell them to not say the word ‘no’ and they still say no. I tell them to practice proper command structure in the right order and they still can’t do it. I have to remind them or correct them all the time. Of course every client is different and progress at different levels. I guess what I am saying is even if our instruction is precise or perfect and accurate, I think the clients will still make mistakes no matter what. We seem to live in a new “tiktok generation”. Everyone wants more shorter and shorter videos and entertaining content to grab their attention. Im just sharing my observations. @Mike
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I meant to reply this to Mike. @Mike That reminds me, one time brought a dog back to their owner from a board and train. After 3 weeks of being separated he acted like he didn’t know the other dog that he lived with anymore. He showed aggression to the other dog and the owner said they never saw this before. Fortunately, he settled back in to his home and he got along nice with the other dog again. But I didn’t know how to explain this to the owner.
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I think this is a good idea. I think in the beginning you could explain why this exercise will help them especially during walks. Most people practice sit and down with their dog in front of them but teaching the dog to sit and down in a heel position is not only helpful but more realistic. So i think adding the Free command as a part of the exercise is a good idea. or instead of the free command; teach the client to practice what they already know with the heel, a sit or down. I think getting a dig to sit in a heel or down is very realistic and it will keep the dog in a heel position longer too.
Another thing I noticed with one of my clients is that they were moving to much while luring the dog into a heel instead of staying in one spot. So letting the client know to stay still when they do a 2-step heel for the first time.
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I think the 5 and 7 minute marks were the strongest part of your instruction and I loved that belly rub at the end as a reward! I like how you explained in the beginning “this is raw unedited video, this is what a real training session looks like with my own dog” this allows audience to see what they should try doing. I actually don’t mind your video being 9 minutes long to show raw footage. It shows a realistic example of how to make a training session a lot of fun! However, I do think you could cut some of the filler out that is not related to fading especially in the beginning. Try to get to the point right away! Or maybe show filler parts at the end of the video . You could say “Now here is an example of how I use play, toys or affection as a reward doing the same fading exercise.
I think this video will appeal to other shepherd owners or to people with dogs similar to yours that have a strong play and prey drive. However, I think most of your viewers will just be trying to do the exercise with food alone first or with a dog that does not have that much motivation or drive. So imagine from their perspective; maybe you could divide the video in half showing the difference of both ways. One example with treats and then another example with toys after. I really liked the ‘raw footage’ style in this video though.
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You did a nice job demonstrating the Interval exercise with first, the sit, then, the down. If your student were to copy this demo exactly they would accomplish the task. I think you could just shorten each command to only 2 minutes each then give a 1-2 minute recap at the end. or a 30 second introduction and a 1 minute recap at the end. I like how you used ‘premack principle’ however, you didn’t let your audience know that. you could say something like “if you noticed I rewarded the dog consistently every few seconds and I gave the dog a break too afterward by saying “free” and I also played tug with the dog. I think even if you already mentioned Premack principle in an earlier video it does not hurt to give a quick reminder or use repetition so they don’t forget.
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The officer made very bad judgement. The man was already with his hands up. There was already other officers at the scene but instead of standing back or waiting to assess the situation he kept moving forward to him with his dog. Instead of putting his dog back into the vehicle or letting another officer deal with the arrestee he wanted to take matters into his own hands. Yes he could not control his own dog, and so the dog went after another officer instead of being put into a stay or leave it. I have trained with law enforcement before many times. But This officer reminds me of a common attitude I have seen on some officers. In my opinion some officers give me the impression that they care more about getting a “live bite” or scaring the shit out of a guy than ethical patrolling. I think if he had the right “attitude” all of this could have been prevented.
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That was such a nicely written article. I could see it appearing in a dog training magazine! I agree with letting dogs be themselves and not correcting barking or growling. i think this has helped my dutch shepherd come out of his shell and become more confident around others.
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i will check out that video about leadership you recommend. I think it is possible i built up good leadership on that second week but then something happened to lose that so now i need to re-establish that leadership and make the dog feel more comfortable and avoid situations or actions that lower myself as good leader. I think i did put him in an uncomfortable situation by accident
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I like how you offer social classes with your client’s private training. Where I live in Utah one challenge is; it is very cold and it is a big motivation killer! Not just for dog training but for everything in general, unless people are into winter sports. but for the most part people are lazy and want to stay indoors and cozy up to the fire. (me included).
That is the advantage of having an indoor training facility (which I dont have) but I like your newsletter and private online group idea! One thing I have done is invite past clients to train with me again at a park when I am training a new dog. But for the most part I find motivating them difficult. Most of my clients have busy work schedules or they just wanted a “problem” fixed then they’re done or they just wanted basic training and that’s it. Most of them dont see the value in a leather or biohane leashes either even though I hype them up. If I find a ”rich client” they will buy he biothane leash. but starmark collars have been a success with my clients so far.
Note: i have only been in business since April 2022 . but wil be moving to southern cali this spring.
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Step 4: “While pumping the tightened leash down with your right hand, use your left hand to hold the treat to the ground and lure them into the down position. Even if your dog is uncomfortable, do not stop pumping the leash until the dog complies by getting into the down position. “
I guess my reasoning for that was by the end of the exercise the dog should be able to understand leash pumps without voice assistance or any luring. But at the beginning of escape conditioning luring with treats is necessary to help give the dog guidance. So we know that the dog understands it once they don’t need step 4 anymore. But yes it definitely needs rewording because I don’t want to the client into thinking that treats are no longer necessary anymore. they are necessary as needed and they should also be used as a reward for fixing themselves even if we no longer use treats to lure them.
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I went to grooming school in utah. they use cesar millan’s “Dog Psychiatry” as an example. he used to be a groomer. but basically they taught us to use hand pressure and compulsion techniques to keep he dogs calm. they taught us to apply hand pressure when the dog starts fighting and kicking and release the pressure when the dog stops resisting. they also teach us to do tiny “bites” with the clippers or scissors or nail trimmer or dremmel. this means buzz a little or trim a little then release, trim again then release! so the dog feels comfortable because we are giving the dog a tiny rest every time they stop fighting. the dog learns to respond to the hand pressure and stay calm.
i have seen personally how this helps. Most groomers just “man handle” their dogs instead of being patient and taking breaks. the school also uses a choke chain to walk a energetic dog first before starting the groom. once the dog is following instead of walking in front then they start the groom. i know foundation style doesnt do this type of walking. leash pumps are used instead of choke chain method. my grooming instructor also owns horses and trains a zorse and that is her experience for animal training. looking back i am thinking this choke chain step is unnecessary. we can find other ways to establish leadership for grooming. i will have to see how marina does it.