Andy Moyle
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Nice! I also like to use a working retrieve to “address” resource guarding. I think it was Margot Woods who used to say that retrieving helps “gain control of the offending mouth” for problem biters, a line that always gets a chuckle out of my students.
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Two more instructionals for peer review on the Phase 1 HEEL exercise
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Guys sorry if it seems like I’m spamming but I’m also submitting the following for Peer Review re: Mr. D’Abruzzo’s feedback regarding the use of ratio, interval, and duration reward schedules for Phase 1 obedience
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A little something I spun up on the use of continuation markers during Phase 1 interval and duration reinforcement schedules
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A little update on this one, this is Roger’s first time retrieving the tube-roll so we’ll check back next lesson to see how it’s progressed
https://youtu.be/u2z4seqP4iA?si=lt-qtnClC77JdB_J
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I think your video looks great! I wouldn’t worry so much about your voice on recording. Your students are the ones who will be watching it anyways, and they PAY you to hear your voice so I don’t think they will mind!
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Hey Allie do you have a link to the article where you copied that from? I’m just curious because matches a convention I developed for use in the ring through trial and error. I train every command with the dog’s name but in the ring I only use the dog’s name for exercises that require the dog to move. For “Stay” and “Give” I never use the dog’s name in the ring. There is more clarity that way.
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Shoot, I didn’t realize this was a year old thread 😅 I saw J27 and thought it was like, a couple days ago. Sorry for necro-posting!!!
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Hey Ryan, I’m also in Utah and I understand about trying to keep teams motivated during the winter. Strictly speaking though, you don’t need your own indoor facility to make it happen. The past couple years I rented out the upstairs studio area of a local triathlon training gym (where they taught their cycling classes) for 2 hours once a week for my graduate group class to meet at. During the winter months, those were some of my most well-attended classes, because folks were looking for a climate controlled space with many distractions to keep their dogs sharp when they otherwise weren’t able to get a lot of training in. I think I paid maybe $180 a month for it, definitely worth it to me to keep my dedicated students in shape and polished for the upcoming Spring trial season.
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Gotcha! Yeah most of the time I think the solution to r-guarding is really to just get the two-leggers to stop pestering the dog and making him anxious 😅. For the guys who are really committed to guarding though I’ve found that getting the dog to reimagine resource possession in a cooperative rather than a competitive context is helpful.
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Awesome! I think we are on the same page there. I liked what Mr. D’Abruzzo said in the Q&A today about training for the lowest common denominator. I try to think about target behaviors in terms of how the process and end result will serve the dog, his home, and the untrained public. So for instance, in conditioning a dog to accept an item, I think a little gentle physicality such as pressing the dog’s lips into his mouth to elicit tongue shifting (and therefore opening the mouth) is very beneficial.
Holding an item in the mouth is a neat trick but to be honest most homes have no real use for it. On the other hand, voluntarily opening the mouth with a matter of fact attitude I think is SUPER useful for every type of home I can imagine. At some point in the dog’s life, he’ll probably need to be dosed with medicine, have his teeth cleaned, or have his mouth/throat inspected by a veterinarian no matter what his working or pet role is. Having a matter of fact attitude about the physicality of the process is of major benefit there.
I appreciate your feedback on this peer-review and was glad we could clear up the misunderstanding. Written instructions can be difficult to write through the perspective of another person so your contributions are a huge benefit to me, thank you. For instance, the double use of the word “surprise” in the instruction was not only grammatically incorrect, but as you pointed out it it promotes a wrong image of the exercise as well. I hope you’ll continue to subject whatever else I post here to a critical eye. It can be very difficult to find helpful and knowledgeable criticism for stuff like this out there.
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Ah yeah, there is a lot of crappy dog training techniques out there so I understand why some people when they hear, “Place an item in the dog’s mouth,” their mind jumps to, “pry the dog’s jaws open,” and I definitely understand the concern about relying on training aids. For instance, know a lot of gun dog trainers will teach a dog a command Fetch/Hold/Give before the yardwork is developed, but they tend to rely on complicated and expensive apparatuses and devices that I think are unnecessary if you just slow down and take your time on the fundamentals with the dog.
I am curious though, you say you sought FSDT in order to get the same behaviors as you were before. That makes me wonder, what do you see as the purpose of getting behaviors in dog training?
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Hey Allie,
Hope these help. Addressing concerns you had regarding “prying the dog’s mouth open” and shaping the “Give” exercise for an older dog as referenced in Mr. D’Abruzzo’s Q&A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhFijYhujkc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEVaV_iqcr0
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The process I describe for teaching a puppy “Give” does follow Phase 1. Specifically, the use of a prompt to elicit an opened mouth. In Mike’s lecture on Phase 1 training he defines a prompt loosely as “anything you use to get the dog to do the behavior” and demonstrates himself teaching a Phase 1 dog exercises by use of mechanical placement (placing pressure on the dog’s rear end to mold the Sit.)
