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Basically I have just combined the two for logistical reasons. the crates were in the kitchen and the kennel was where it is now, without the insulation. They were fine going in both as they were. all that junk was there before on the kennel. I have tried the feeding near the kennel and it may be working to a point. the sheet I put in there to see if it was the shiny insulation that was spinning them out. It works a bit, Becca has been in there of her own accord. Strangely when I first did it they both went in there straight away as I put bowls of food in there and they were pretty hungry. It seems that after this event they have got scared.
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