[maxlee]

Hi Teresa,

As stated that No is a conditioned punisher but will never correct the dog on the No command. When you said No follow by the given command and correct if the do does not comply. It goes like Jack-Sit-No-Sit-correct. In the long run the dog will disobey the obedient command (Sit) and will wait for the No in order to obey the obedient command (Sit).

If No is a conditioned punisher should be as followed Jack-Sit (if no sit)- No-correct. This I think the dog will understand the No as a conditioned punisher cause No associated with a consequence the pinch or the electric shock this will made the dog says oh yeah sorry I must sit. Next time when the dog hear the Sit (if no sit)-No- the dog will say Oh yeah I know it and sit without being correct. Now the dog understand the No as a conditioned punisher. The dog must know phase 1 & 2 before phase 3. Correct if…………..
maxlee

[maxlee]

Many thanks to you Teresa. Your explaination for the stand (movement of legs) are very clear, will try your method and see how it’s work.
maxlee

[maxlee]

Thank you Teresa. Your replay makes sense when I slowly trying to digest every words said to the phase 2 correction for a Stand exercise.
I agreed to the escape conditioning and when come to the escape conditioning the dog must understand what stand is all about, if not this kind of conditioning should not apply. This kind of conditioning tells the dog if you go against the stand cue you’ll be in trouble. When the dog understands the escape condition verywell we need the dog to comply the “NO” cue thats the avoidance training. This is real humane way this tells the dog if you hear the word No you must go back to what I’ve asked or you’ll be din trouble. Lovely I like it Thanks.

Like to know how You stop the dog from moving forward from the stand to save from loosing minor deduction.Love to hear from your point of view Thanks
maxlee

@Teresa 1239 wrote:

Hi and sorry for the delay in reply. I thought your question had been answered and didn’t see your most recent post.

If you are looking for a way to do a phase 2 leash correction for stand:

1) start out with escape conditioning – it will be helpful if you have already completed the Phase 2 climb to teach the command structure.
– Using proper command structure ask your dog to stand using whatever method you have up until now. If they move out of the stand into a sit or a down use a forward leash pump while repeating the Stand command. If your dog does not move back into the stand within 2 seconds, use your hand under the belly to encourage him to stand while simultaneously applying the correction. Once in the standing position, stop all correction and praise your dog. As you see the dog responding more quickly to the leash correction, gradually phase out using your hand under the belly. You can start adding in the “No” when your dog is understanding the leash correction.

2)move onto avoidance training once your dog is responding to the correction without the guidance of you hand and is starting to respond to the “No”
Ask your dog to “stand” if not responding correctly the first time you ask or on the “No” then use a forward leash pump while repeating “Stand”.

If your are trying to stop forward motion from the stand the technique would differ slightly

hope this helps!

Best,
Teresa

[maxlee]

Hi Jose,
Many thanks to the reply on Phase 2 training the Stand. Every one trainer have their method of training the Stand.
My method of teaching the Stand definitely be based on phase 1 first. But I don’t used the verbal Stand to teach a green horn to do this exercise cause they don’t understand the English word of Stand. I’ll remain silent doing the luring with food under the dog chin when the dog tried to get the food which is under his chin, he will kick back and Stand, with timing I reward the stand. Every time I put my hand under his chin the dog will do the stand by himself, this is the time I will add verbal Stand as the dog kick back and Stand. By this time the dog understand the word Stand then I’ll do the shaping Stand. I’ll say Stand and wait for the dog to Stand if the dog don’t Stand within 3 second no reward (negative punishment) Next repetition I’ll say the word Stand and will guide him with my hand under his chin to make him Stand for success and keep on working the Stand until success. If the dog goes to the Sit or Down when I say Stand I’ll keep silent until the dog give me the Stand by himself to be rewarded.
I asked for phase 2 training the Stand is to look for better and fast humane way to have a reliable Stand. am just looking for clear instruction for the dog to have a clear and easy way to understand our communication during teaching.