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Mom is heavily pigmented, but that happens as a dogo gets older, plus her coat is now thinner after having a litter, so you see it more. The other female that passed away recently was even blacker underneath her coat, solid black in some parts.
Here ya go, right about the same age, between 6-7 weeks
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on occasion, yes, give them a piece of apple, or broccoli. But give them the stuff by Honest Kitchen which is dehydrated fruits and veggies.
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Cool deal. The biggest thing with raw is a giving a large variety to (over time) supply all the essential nutrients a dog needs. RMB are an essential part, around 20%, muscle meats around 70%, and organ meats around 10%. (you can give or take from all of these 5-10%). I also give yogurt,eggs,cheese,sardines,instant oats, and supplements, and the Honest Kitchen stuff. I can’t wait till someone bags a deer for me so I can give them raw venison! YUM!
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Toro had horked up some bone when I first started the raw, and my friend had told me of her Rottie that pooped out a big piece of chicken bone, so, to make be feel better, I bought a meat grinder, and the cost is well worth it http://www.sambaere.com/TS-110-10-12-Grinder-Extra-Blades-p22.html , regularly about $250 on sale for $135. Takes the whole leg and thigh with ease. Plus, with my old lady,Chance, at almost 13, chewing up bones just won’t happen with her worn down/missing teeth, so she also gets the benefits of raw with the ground up whole chicken parts. Oh, and to clean their teeth after dinner, they get bully sticks, their favorite!!
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I went and bought a heavy duty meat grinder and I just put the whole leg and thigh through it and give them that. They still get the benefit of the nutrients in the bone, without me having to worry that they may get an obstruction. You have to feed some bone, it has minerals in it that the dog needs if you don;’t. I add 2-3x/week to the raw meat, is stuff from Honest Kitchen, it is dehydrated, you just add hot water. http://www.thehonestkitchen.com/
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The ingredients are pretty good. One thing I don;t like is the amount of calories per cup, it is kinda low, around 350 kcal/cup. If you have a larger dog, you will be feeding a lot of kibble to meet the cal requirements, and IMHO, a lot of kibble in a large breed can increase the risk of bloat. I notice that the adult lamb formula only has 20% protein, that, for my taste, is too low, if you have an active/working dog. An older and/or more sedentary dog. The large breed adult formula has 26 % protein, that is about where a normally active dog’s protein should be, IMHO. My local feed store sels Evo Red Meat Large Bites for @ $45/28lb bag, while I have seen other stores sell it for like $70 for the same size and type. You gotta shop around and look. On Pet Food DIrect it is normally $67 for the same bag. I used to use Innova and Evo, until Proctor & Gamble bought them out(all of the Natura lines, Evo, Innova, California Natural, Healthwise, and Karma). P & G are the ones that have Iams/Eukanuba. When I sat down and compared food, I used a link with a ton of different dog foods so I could easily compare them, like this one http://www.petfooddirect.com/ . If you are thinking about raw, do a lot of research first. Its not just throwing them raw chicken quarters as I know a lot of people do. I have 2 books that I recommend, “Raw and Natural Nutrition for Dogs,” by Lew Olson, PhD, and “Raw Dog Food,” by Carina Beth MacDonald. There are also on-line groups like http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/ and http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=261761471359&ref=ts
thought I’d add some pics of my guys that are on raw
Maureen
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link to pics from the dogo demo in Bulgaria
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LOL Mike! Yea, I have no life (or more like I get stuck in triage behind a desk for 12 hours and sit and surf the net inbetween patients). I’m a knowledge junkie when it comes to something I am really interested in, I’ll sit for hours and research here on the net, or buy tons of books.I sat there one day on the petfooddirect site and went through most of their dry foods and compared ingredients and all to find the best kibble. That took quite some time, but I did come up with the best foods out there. I remember gravy train, LOL. I honestly don’t remember what we fed out mutts when I was a kid, that was way too long ago, LOL.
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Feeding straight raw fat from raw chicken is way different than the processed chicken fat in kibble….processing food, remember, changes the whole chemical structure and nutrient value of food. I had someone tell me feeding dogs kibble is like us eating Kraft Mac n CHeese every meal. Ever wonder why kids now a days are fat and unhealthy? Mainly because parents aren’t cooking the fresh from scratch meals like our moms used to make, none of that boxed crap that you throw in the microwave that cooks in 15 seconds, or that fast food crap. The reason I agree with this site is the fact that the only kibble that I would feed my dogs are the 5 and 6 star rated ones that I found on my own research, using my own nutrition knowledge, but I never sat down like you did and went over everything they said with a fine-toothed comb. Maybe they are “quirky” with what they say and how they say it, but being that I have come up with the same conclusions on the 6 star rated foods, there has to be something right. I have sat on this computer for hours and hours on end comparing dog foods with many different screens all over my monitor to compare them. IMHO, the less amount of ingredients and the simplier the better. My favs are “Evo, Wellness Core, TOTW, and Orijen.” After that comes Instinct, Nature’s Variety, Innova, Merrick. I have always erred on the side of caution when it comes to feeding my dogs, so I would rather cut out the stuff that may cause bloat than not, cause there is kibble out there without chicken fat or beet pulp in their list of ingredients. One of the few grains that I will feed my dogs is oats(lots of B vitamins), then barley and brown rice. I actually give them quick oats for breakfast, with all their supplements mixed in in the am(fish oil, vit c, vit e, joint support, garlic) and then they get raw lunch and dinner. Twice a week I mix in Honest Kitchen stuff, which is awesome adding it to the raw, it is dehydrated stuff that you add hot water to:
http://www.thehonestkitchen.com/products/dog-food/
Before going raw, I was feeding Evo Red Meat formula, no chicken fat, no beet pulp, no tomato pumace. I know 3 people now that have lost dogos to bloat(all died at night, found them dead in the am, no s/sx prior), so to me, it is better to be safe than sorry.here’s a site that rates the sites that do dog food ratings, LOL
http://www.consumersearch.com/dog-food/reviews
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I wouldn’t buy or use any of those foods, IMHO. I see the first ingredient is a protein source, then the next few are grains/fillers(rice, wheat, flour,bran). High amounts of grains, chicken fat, and beat pulp in kibble has been shown to cause bloat, so I would steer away from all those foods also for that reason. Here is a great link to dog food analysis(rates named dog foods form 6 stars to 1 star) you can do a search for your favorite brands….
http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/dog_food_reviews/index.php
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How about one of those big plastic indestructable balls? Or putting something like a rag on a bungee and hang it from a sturdy tree branch(like a flirt pole type of thing? I had the same problem with my AB when she was younger, she would “catch” my other dog by the face and drag them around…she turned out to be a great hog dog and great on the sleeve. Unforturnately, we dont have any hogs up here, so I had to travel down south many times to let her get out her frustrations on the hogs.
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I watching them on Facebook, have the guy and the PD as friends on FB, so will try to stay UTD with Inca’s progress. Haven’t heard of a civil bite yet from a dogo. I also know they also have Cane Corso on their force, (I am drawing a blank on the name, I met him, really nice temperament and conformation). they are in Massilion Ohio PD.
I know on the WDF, they were discussing leg bites and then it went into crotch bites and someone saying something about they dont do that cause that would be considered use of excessive force for a PSD, and that the dog’s job is to merely find and hold the perp till the PD gets there, but I have heard of some PSD training where outs werent so “important”. I’ve seen enough police video where I have seen the dogs pretty much beat/choked off the perps.
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ya got this stuff also on active dogs, there is a leather gaunlet made for the forearm, might also work for the bicep. Could also take a run over to Modells in Cortlandt and look at the sporting goods, esp for hockey,soccer, and football protective gear
http://www.activedogs.com/bitesuitesandsleeves.html
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Yea, I liked the control that the dog showed with the mock attacks. He stated on FB that they arent so concerned with the “outs” being that he is being trained for police work(its in Czech somewhere)
