33 Good stuff Mike. I love reading others opinions and methods. Awesome advice! I never associated an annoying child with an annoying pup. Makes sense what you are saying for sure. With a child I always would intervene- with dogs I always let them be dogs and do what they know how to do. However, your statement with the elder dog viewing the pup as the leaders pup really puts that I to prospective for me. Awesome stuff here !!